"Fascism is coming", yeah but not in the way they'd think. I shared a couple of CCC videos from 2013 with my younger Gen Z and Gen A siblings. I was looking forward to sharing some content from the CCC with them this year.
Here's the very difficult part, they all browse 4chan /g/ and sometimes 4chan /pol/ -- mind you we are all half asian (and the other half is not white).
I want them to focus on the technical talk offered by CCC, but the optics of someone who sounds like a man (and looks like a man) in a sparkly dress, they are going to get so caught up in that (like go ape-shit over it) any signal of technology or techno-geopolitical conversation will not make it through.
"I can't share a tech talk with my siblings because there's trans people in it" -- you definitely sound like part of the problem, esp. when so much of infosec research is done by trans people
I can share the tech talk with them, I'm just not going to bother because I already know what's going to happen. I know we're living in "modern times" or whatever but a man in a dress is not going to be taken seriously by most people.
There are probably more people intimidated from speaking out against it, or too confused to realize they will be brow beaten for doing so, than sincere believers within the tech conference itself.
Again, I CAN show this tech talk to my teenage younger brother and his friends, but I'm not going to bother because I already know one of them is going to turn it into "hacking conferences are for homos LoL"
Well, maybe next time just leave your siblings out of the discussion since it's you that can't jive with a speaker that does not correspond to your expectations of credibility (as your response to a sibling comment confirms to me)
Not that long ago, many people would protest and browbeat an asian person in any kind of authority position, and you surely don't need me to remind the kind of insults that were employed.
Finally, trans people are being denied basic healthcare, access to essential parts of life and society, when it's not their own life that's at risk; but it's you that feel "strong-armed" into just being indifferent to their existence and not bullying them against presenting themselves as they are.
Again, there are still many who believe your ethnicity should also be driven out of public view -- when you support the idea that some people should just remain hidden because a vocal part of society doesn't want to deal with something they don't understand, everyone loses. (and in this case, you and your family will be losing out on some great tech talks)
> maybe next time just leave your siblings out of the discussion
This is exactly already what I am doing, because I already know how his friends (mostly his friends) are going to all react.
> as your response to a sibling comment confirms to me
I didn't have a "response" to them, nor did I write that I did.
Did you even read my post before thinking to reply???
> it's you that can't jive with a speaker
I don't really have a problem with the speaker. My only real qualm is that sharing the video with others isn't going to go well, which makes it hard to introduce others to real hacker culture/mindset.
Perhaps you got confused with what I wrote earlier, that most people do not take a man in a dress seriously at all and perhaps in your own mind you conflated that with my own beliefs. I will be honest with you I also do not take a man in a dress seriously and I don't I am ever going to be convinced to do so.
The very best I can do is not write anything about it on Facebook so I don't get my Facebook account banned by the Chinese H1B holders (nationals of the communist government) working at Facebook.
The reality is that even with all the "progress" we have made, still today most people do not take a man in a dress seriously. I have an FTE role in Silicon Valley, we have leases on some higher floors in SF, and I can tell you even outside of the closet MAGA people (every Bay Area company has these) most of my very liberal coworkers, even though they are willing to "play along" they absolutely do not take a man in a dress seriously and never will. Even though these are folks were willing to hire one of the trans candidates we had in our interview pipeline while they were still in it.
> there are still many who believe your ethnicity should also be driven out of public view
If you are trying to tell me that here in the USA there are many who believe that Japanese people should be driven out of public view, this is some serious news and I would like to know where this is happening. I'm sure there is always SOMEONE out there who believes Japanese people should be kicked out, but I'm going to need to see something to back this theory up because I do not believe that even a fringe minority believes that anywhere in USA, not even the turbo nazis who actually call themselves nazis.
If you can show me an actual source for this claim, please do, because if that's happening I do want to know, but also I honestly do not believe it's even remotely realistic.
> trans people are being denied basic healthcare
No autogynephiliac anywhere is being denied healthcare. Unless if by "basic healthcare" you mean genital or breast mutilation in which case sorry you are not fooling anyone on this board, this is a hacker board.
Or perhaps you are fooling yourself in which case, no, I do not buy into your religion, and you are a fascist for trying to push it onto me.
> access to essential parts of life and society
If your autogynephilia fetish becomes so internalized that you display it in public and demand others change their behavior for it, yes you are going to have less access to essential parts of life and society. What the fuck else did you expect to happen?
> Again, there are still many who believe your ethnicity should also be driven out of public view
Being Japanese is something someone is born with. Autogynephilia is a choice.
It's disappointing that the younger generations have developed such intolerant views on this issue.
There's nothing wrong with a man wearing a dress, just like there's nothing wrong with women wearing trousers and shirts. The real problem is if the man in a dress, and his associates, try to strongarm everyone into pretending he's a woman, and in doing so negatively impact on free speech and women's rights.
Somehow this message has been lost and we're back to reinforcing gender stereotypes again. It's very unfortunate.
> The real problem is if the man in a dress, and his associates, try to strongarm everyone into pretending he's a woman
Exactly, which is why he's not seen as simply "a man in a dress", but "a man in a dress who will call on a mob to force me to adopt their norms as if they are my own, contrary to my visceral instincts".
People don't like having to be FORCED to conform to someone else's ideology, we used to call this "fascism".
Did the organizers take down the video? It says "Page not found" right now.
Yes, it seems so.
Link is now https://media.ccc.de/v/38c3-opening-ceremony
"Fascism is coming", yeah but not in the way they'd think. I shared a couple of CCC videos from 2013 with my younger Gen Z and Gen A siblings. I was looking forward to sharing some content from the CCC with them this year.
Here's the very difficult part, they all browse 4chan /g/ and sometimes 4chan /pol/ -- mind you we are all half asian (and the other half is not white).
I want them to focus on the technical talk offered by CCC, but the optics of someone who sounds like a man (and looks like a man) in a sparkly dress, they are going to get so caught up in that (like go ape-shit over it) any signal of technology or techno-geopolitical conversation will not make it through.
"I can't share a tech talk with my siblings because there's trans people in it" -- you definitely sound like part of the problem, esp. when so much of infosec research is done by trans people
I can share the tech talk with them, I'm just not going to bother because I already know what's going to happen. I know we're living in "modern times" or whatever but a man in a dress is not going to be taken seriously by most people.
There are probably more people intimidated from speaking out against it, or too confused to realize they will be brow beaten for doing so, than sincere believers within the tech conference itself.
Again, I CAN show this tech talk to my teenage younger brother and his friends, but I'm not going to bother because I already know one of them is going to turn it into "hacking conferences are for homos LoL"
It's extremely frustrating.
Well, maybe next time just leave your siblings out of the discussion since it's you that can't jive with a speaker that does not correspond to your expectations of credibility (as your response to a sibling comment confirms to me)
Not that long ago, many people would protest and browbeat an asian person in any kind of authority position, and you surely don't need me to remind the kind of insults that were employed.
Finally, trans people are being denied basic healthcare, access to essential parts of life and society, when it's not their own life that's at risk; but it's you that feel "strong-armed" into just being indifferent to their existence and not bullying them against presenting themselves as they are.
Again, there are still many who believe your ethnicity should also be driven out of public view -- when you support the idea that some people should just remain hidden because a vocal part of society doesn't want to deal with something they don't understand, everyone loses. (and in this case, you and your family will be losing out on some great tech talks)
> maybe next time just leave your siblings out of the discussion
This is exactly already what I am doing, because I already know how his friends (mostly his friends) are going to all react.
> as your response to a sibling comment confirms to me
I didn't have a "response" to them, nor did I write that I did.
> it's you that can't jive with a speakerI don't really have a problem with the speaker. My only real qualm is that sharing the video with others isn't going to go well, which makes it hard to introduce others to real hacker culture/mindset.
Perhaps you got confused with what I wrote earlier, that most people do not take a man in a dress seriously at all and perhaps in your own mind you conflated that with my own beliefs. I will be honest with you I also do not take a man in a dress seriously and I don't I am ever going to be convinced to do so.
The very best I can do is not write anything about it on Facebook so I don't get my Facebook account banned by the Chinese H1B holders (nationals of the communist government) working at Facebook.
The reality is that even with all the "progress" we have made, still today most people do not take a man in a dress seriously. I have an FTE role in Silicon Valley, we have leases on some higher floors in SF, and I can tell you even outside of the closet MAGA people (every Bay Area company has these) most of my very liberal coworkers, even though they are willing to "play along" they absolutely do not take a man in a dress seriously and never will. Even though these are folks were willing to hire one of the trans candidates we had in our interview pipeline while they were still in it.
> there are still many who believe your ethnicity should also be driven out of public view
If you are trying to tell me that here in the USA there are many who believe that Japanese people should be driven out of public view, this is some serious news and I would like to know where this is happening. I'm sure there is always SOMEONE out there who believes Japanese people should be kicked out, but I'm going to need to see something to back this theory up because I do not believe that even a fringe minority believes that anywhere in USA, not even the turbo nazis who actually call themselves nazis.
If you can show me an actual source for this claim, please do, because if that's happening I do want to know, but also I honestly do not believe it's even remotely realistic.
> trans people are being denied basic healthcare
No autogynephiliac anywhere is being denied healthcare. Unless if by "basic healthcare" you mean genital or breast mutilation in which case sorry you are not fooling anyone on this board, this is a hacker board.
Or perhaps you are fooling yourself in which case, no, I do not buy into your religion, and you are a fascist for trying to push it onto me.
> access to essential parts of life and society
If your autogynephilia fetish becomes so internalized that you display it in public and demand others change their behavior for it, yes you are going to have less access to essential parts of life and society. What the fuck else did you expect to happen?
> Again, there are still many who believe your ethnicity should also be driven out of public view
Being Japanese is something someone is born with. Autogynephilia is a choice.
It's disappointing that the younger generations have developed such intolerant views on this issue.
There's nothing wrong with a man wearing a dress, just like there's nothing wrong with women wearing trousers and shirts. The real problem is if the man in a dress, and his associates, try to strongarm everyone into pretending he's a woman, and in doing so negatively impact on free speech and women's rights.
Somehow this message has been lost and we're back to reinforcing gender stereotypes again. It's very unfortunate.
> The real problem is if the man in a dress, and his associates, try to strongarm everyone into pretending he's a woman
Exactly, which is why he's not seen as simply "a man in a dress", but "a man in a dress who will call on a mob to force me to adopt their norms as if they are my own, contrary to my visceral instincts".
People don't like having to be FORCED to conform to someone else's ideology, we used to call this "fascism".
Jeez, take your pills.
Which part of this anecdote is now fascism?
Did you even watch the video?
Yes. I don‘t mean in the video. I mean in your posting.