shric 3 days ago

There was a recent (August 2023) The Studies Show episode[1] on WHO's cancer list. It goes in to why these lists are incredibly misleading.

My own mother died of Ovarian Cancer at age 40 and used talc. I'm not confidence for a second there is sufficient evidence to even hint at causality.

[1] https://www.thestudiesshowpod.com/p/episode-3-aspartame

  • shric 3 days ago

    Past the edit deadline, but s/confidence/convinced/

  • hoffs 3 days ago

    So why is it misleading? Don't think anyone is going to listen to a podcast just for that.

    • GuB-42 2 days ago

      I didn't listen to the podcast but that list is only telling you if something is or is not carcinogenic, but not the magnitude of the effect, or if you should avoid it or not.

      For example, a substance that for sure, increases your odds of getting cancer by a one in a million will be ranked at the highest level, while a substance that may increase your odds by 50% will just be "possibly carcinogenic". There are some carcinogens that are unavoidable, and in fact shouldn't be avoided, like sunlight.

      It is a useful list, but when presented as a list of how bad things are, it is misleading.

    • shric 3 days ago

      It's worth listening, it's 53 minutes at 1x speed.

      The main gist is that the list doesn't specify volume and the low quality of the data due to confounders. Also, conflicting studies.

      Examples of things that will "probably" or "possibly" cause cancer:

      Night shifts

      Aloe vera

      Talc

      How many night shifts, and what is the risk increase? If you do 1 night shift will it double your chances of catching cancer, or will doing night shifts every day for 40 years increase your risk from 1 in 10 million to 1 in 9 million?

      The list doesn't specify any further information.

      • cromka 3 days ago

        You probably mean Aloe Latex here?

        • zamadatix 3 days ago

          It seems to just be listed as "Aloe vera whole leaf extract" rather than saying the gel or latex specifically.